Tea Party adherents claim they love America, and I'm sure they think they do. Unfortunately loving America for them doesn't mean loving Americans.

If they loved Americans, they wouldn't be taking away their health care. If they loved Americans, they wouldn't be making it easy to get access to automatic weapons and kill other Americans.

If they loved Americans, they wouldn't throw Americans out of work or cause companies to fail by shutting down they government. If they loved Americans they wouldn't threaten to default on debts, many of which are owed to Americans.

If they loved Americans, they wouldn't claim to hate taxes while costing us Americans ten of millions of dollars a day in additional interest, thanks to their histrionics.

Loving America is no more than empty words if you don't love Americans. Real Americans who honor American principles of equality, compassion and religious values need to vote these grade-school bullies out of office.

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Trek04
Trek04

Tony uses the old political technique that goes something like this: “If you repeat a falsehood enough eventually it comes true.”

George Orwell effectively illustrated this concept when Winston Smith, the main character in 1984, eventually loved “Big Brother” (even though he really hated him) and Winston eventually believed all of the false propaganda spewed by the newspaper, even though Winston knew the paper was a fraud because Winston himself actively falsified the stories himself when working for the news agency. In other words, Winston went so far as to believe his own lies.

There are 62 comments to Tony’s last LTE, half of which thoroughly dissect and properly discredit almost every statement and implication Tony makes in this LTE. But truth, logic, reason, who needs then? Just keep repeating the falsehoods enough and people will eventually think it’s true, right? Was the world flat before it was round, or did people just fail to recognize that the world has always been round because they were repeatedly misinformed?

DominOrcutt
DominOrcutt

Be nice to MR. T. He doesn't remember that this LTE was printed already. Just go along with him.

DominOrcutt
DominOrcutt

"Winston went so far as to believe his own lies."

Kind of like the editorial staff at the Times. That must be why they keep printing this garbage!

Trek04
Trek04

Good observation. A little more soma and I will be fine - oh, brave new world..

taicho
taicho

It looks very truthful to me and I don't see you pointing out a single untruth to it.

Just because you call it untruthfull doesn't make a fact, just opinion. And in the case it is a false opinion.

Trek04
Trek04

Mao taicho, I accept your challenge.

The author lays down the test for someone's love for America as follows:

"If they loved Americans they wouldn't be taking away their health care."

"Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC NEWS that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent.”

Approximately 600,000 people in California and 13 million nationwide will lose their healthcare due to the ACA.

taicho, Who is taking away Americans' health care?

taicho
taicho

Actually it is the plans that are being cancelled because they don't qualify. The biggest reason for disqualification is that they don't include hospital care.

So the real answer to your question is - phony insurance plans.

Seems like you should tell the whole truth, but that might prove you wrong so best ignore it.

Cbrown
Cbrown

I see that Taicho has waited for the WH to put out their excuses for why people are being cut.

People had plans that they liked, were happy to pay for, had all the coverage they wanted.

Now the excuse is that the people are supposed to have MORE coverage! They are supposed to pay more to the insurance companies can make more and cover those that don't pay anything!

Lying nonsense and Taicho believes! He believes it because he thinks it will help HIM at your expense!

Taicho claims, "The government never lies. How do I know that? Government told me so!"

Phony insurance plans- right from the mouth of the WH and repeated by Taicho without question!

Who are the lemmings?

Cbrown
Cbrown

Taicho-

First, you claimed the people kicked off their insurance was not true. Then, minutes after the president gives his excuse- you call it phony insurance. They lost them because they were bad policies.

Are you the puppet for the WH? Does King Claus have his hand up your rear like a ventriloquist? Can you prove that any of this is untrue?

What will you say next? More BS from so and so?

You’re sure all willing to sell out a lot of Americans for your free stuff from King Claus!

Yet, you act all high and mighty using almost every post to brag about being wounded.

Does America owe you anything you want because of it? My immediate family has THREE Purple Hearts from COMBAT!

Do they three times as much as you get? What’s the breakdown?

Cbrown
Cbrown

Hey Taicho-

I think you’re a liar or a senile old, fool. You will make ANY insane, stupid defense for Big Government and free stuff for YOU.

Prove to us that I am wrong!

All you have to do is Google “losing health care” and 207, 000 news stories come up! Are they all untrue?

Is this new source lying?
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“Millions losing health plans under Obamacare. Did president mislead? (+video)

---It turns out that at least 7 million Americans will not be able to keep their current health insurance plans under Obamacare, news reports say, despite Obama's assurances that they would.---

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2013/1029/Millions-losing-health-plans-under-Obamacare.-Did-president-mislead-video


IndependentThinker
IndependentThinker

"Tony uses the old political technique that goes something like this: “If you repeat a falsehood enough eventually it comes true.” That would be Dick Cheney's technique re WMD in Iraq, technique via Lee Atwater and Saul Alinsky. And, yes, it'd be great if politicians would stop the name-calling and fowl language and get some work done! [I'd not been aware of the TPM/talking points website & their dumb F-bombs.] Btw; Trek, you do know that the pollsters [who were accurate Nov 2012] are finding that the majority blame the Tea Party for the recent debt ceiling/shutdown fiasco which slowed our economic recovery. Btw; I read you other posts = interesting.

Trek04
Trek04

Thinker wrote: "Btw; Trek, you do know that the pollsters [who were accurate Nov 2012] are finding that the majority blame the Tea Party for the recent debt ceiling/shutdown fiasco which slowed our economic recovery."

Thanks for proving my point. The "majority" of the people at one point thought the world was flat.

taicho
taicho

What has the accuracy of the majority of people who thought the world was flat got to do with the tea party?

A majority of people thought Hitler was a tyrant. Do you consider them wrong. That majority was right just like the majority that blamed the Tea Party.

DominOrcutt
DominOrcutt

In the case of the ignorance of the "majority", I rest my case.

Cbrown
Cbrown

His answer was that you use circular logic to explain your nonsense.

You are a internet troll that pretends to be a "middle of the road guy" when all you care about is getting government stuff. More government every time.

Want to talk about the government checks you get? Fair disclosure?

Trek04
Trek04

Taicho, I am happy to help you out with your questions. First, some definitions:

“Analogy” = a comparison between two things, typically on the basis of their structure and for the purpose of explanation or clarification.

“Principle” = a fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning.

I used an “Analogy” to demonstrate a “Principle.” Still with me taicho?

I wrote: “Was the world flat before it was round, or did people just fail to recognize that the world has always been round because they were repeatedly misinformed?”

Thinker wrote: "Btw; Trek, you do know that the pollsters [who were accurate Nov 2012] are finding that the majority blame the Tea Party for the recent debt ceiling/shutdown fiasco which slowed our economic recovery."

Then, I wrote: “Thanks for proving my point. The ‘majority’ of the people at one point thought the world was flat.”

The point is that just because a majority of people believe something (i.e., the earth is flat) it does not make it true.

Your second question illustrates the point again, where you write: “A majority of people thought Hitler was a tyrant. Do you consider them wrong.” No, I do not, but Hitler was not a tyrant (a cruel and oppressive ruler) because the “majority” thought he was, he was a tyrant because of his behavior. Whether the majority knew it or not is irrelevant. Hitler’s conduct fits an objective reading of the definition of tyrant.

What if all the news agencies in America described Hitler as a loving, caring, benevolent, democratic leader, who was “for the people.” Would all the people in America that relied on the news understand that he was really a tyrant? No, they would not, and the majority would not describe him as a tryrant. Does that mean Hitler was not a tryrant if the majority refused to define him as such. Answer – No. Whether or not the public is misinformed does not affect the underlying truth.

DominOrcutt
DominOrcutt

" you do know that the pollsters [who were accurate Nov 2012] are finding that the majority blame the Tea Party for the recent debt ceiling/shutdown fiasco which slowed our economic recovery"

And that proves is that "the majority" is ignorant. Just like you.

"economic recovery"

Maybe the funniest thing you've ever posted. No, I take that back.

"Obama has lowered the deficit, and the debt". WOW!

Or, how 'bout this one? "I have hundreds of people who think I should be very proud. However, humiulity is RARE, best to practice it most often". (Nice spelling)

Funny, unto itself, but made even better when followed a few breaths later with
"PS & Btw; google my name in 6 months then congratulate me on my literary accomplishments.". What a knee slapper!

I could go on, and on. But, I wont.

You have ZERO credibility!

And. as per your usual, I'm sure you'll just slither off, to return to some other thread to lob in another one of your excrement bombs.

As I've said many times. "A legend in your own mind"!

Cbrown
Cbrown

Independent Liar-

More lies about intelligence reports?

Bush and Cheney lied using the same intelligence agencies that today King Claus has nothing to do with? Bush was responsible and King Claus is not?

You are either just plain stupid (and yes I AM calling you that name) or you are a liar here to troll with the same BS lies every day!
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“Poll: Facing shutdown blame, GOP still seen as better on economy”

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/328615-poll-facing-shutdown-blame-gop-still-seen-as-better-on-economy
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The party in power has more to lose when the people are mad at EVERYONE in government! That means losing more seats in congress.....for the democrats!

“Dems are Bleeding in the Polls But Media Ignore It”
October 15, 2013 6:59 AM by Yossi Gestetner

---The latest example of brazen bias came from Reuters reporting that “a Washington Post/ABC News poll released on Monday found that 74% of Americans disapprove of the way congressional Republicans have handled the standoff, compared with a 53% disapproval rating for Obama.” Reuters simply ignores that 67% Americans in the same poll disapprove of how Congressional Democrats are handling this issue.---

http://jpupdates.com/2013/10/15/dems-are-bleeding-in-the-polls-but-media-ignore-it/
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“Obama approval rating plummets to 37% but the AP buries it in their report”
October 9th, 2013

http://therightscoop.com/obama-approval-rating-plummets-to-37-but-the-ap-buries-it-in-their-report/

IndependentThinker
IndependentThinker

Cb, I do not find YOU to be at all credible this time; you seem to be an unhappy, angry, inaccurate, out of touch, name-calling far-right-winger-- are you? There are several websites still on the Internet that claimed in 2011-12 that polls showed Romney would win in a landslide. [I'm waiting for the "Polls that support your opinions" website....have you found it?] Are you at all familiar with the Plame Affair, Joe and Valerie Wilson? It is well-known, via many credible sources, that Bush/Cheney doctored intelligence reports, while ignoring former Ambassador Joe Wilson's conclusive report, to support their march to war w/Iraq. There were NO WMDs in Iraq, Hussein probably sold them to Syria as his foreign minister, Tariq Azzizz, claimed.

Cbrown
Cbrown

I am VERY familiar with Joe Wilson.

The same lying, cheating partisan operative who was in a double page photo spread inside Vanity Fair- wearing tiny sunglasses to hide their faces (everyone KNEW who they were)- then tried to claim the Bush WH outed his wife! He was a typical fame w h * r e- who attacked Bush to gain publicity! He lied. He has zero credibility.

There were about 2 dozen countries that ALL had the same independent intelligence about Saddam, WMD’s, yellow cake, etc. The world CONSENSUS was with Bush!

Again, and you always ignore this- Iraq HAD 100% absolutely, positively chemical weapons. Used them on his people. Use them in WAR! Once you have them- the skill and means to make them NEVER goes away!

10 years later, with the opposition in control- where is the PROOF that Bush doctored intelligence? You can be SURE that King Claus would have LOVED to uncover it. Where is it?

18 violations of UN sanctions over 20 YEARS! Saddam was killing 5000 people a month. CNN admitted they were NOT reporting all his atrocities so they would not be kicked out!

How much evidence do we need to make YOU feel OK about dealing with him?

How about Benghazi?

King Claus was elected with the lowest margins for a 2nd term president in 120 years. Benghazi happened only 5 weeks before the election.

Now we know, KNOW beyond a shadow of any doubt whatsoever that the WH LIED about Benghazi. Foolish to argue otherwise.

How might the election been different if these lies were known to the people?

In Bush’s first off-term elections he GAINED seats in Congress- even with the idea of looming war with Iraq. With Claus- he saw a record 100 year wipe out of congress and other seats all over the country! He BARELY won reelection in 2012!

If the lies about Benghazi, Fast and Furious, the ACA, etc. were told by the press the same way they would if this was a republican president- the NATION would be talking about impeachment! The people would be storming the WH!

You can claim racism all you want. This president gets away with pure
M U R D E R and TYRANNY because he is black and the press wants to be part of making sure the first black president has a good legacy!

A j *un k ie will say anything to protect their criminal d r u g d e a l e r and make sure he never goes to jail.

Got to make sure the j u n k ie’s drugs keep coming! Can’t lose your supply of
d r u g s!!

And YES! I am VERY mad at your willful and purposeful lies you write here!

I will counter them every chance I get!

DominOrcutt
DominOrcutt

And this has exactly WHAT to do with the Fraud in Chief in the White house right now?


Cbrown
Cbrown

How will Taicho and Independent Liar- twist this story?

PROVE IT WRONG! CLAIM THE WASHINGTON POST IS LYING!

Your newspaper gives the HIGHEST award for LYING!
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"WaPo: 4 Pinocchios For Obama's 'You Can Keep Your Insurance' Pledge"

---Wednesday, Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler was unable to find any way to parse President Obama's repeated and relentless reassurance to the American people that if you like your health insurance, ObamaCare will never result in you losing your health insurance. As millions receive cancellation notices, that lie is being laid bare all across the country, and for telling it, President Obama received the full-boat of four Pinocchios:

The president’s statements were sweeping and unequivocal — and made both before and after the bill became law. The White House now cites technicalities to avoid admitting that he went too far in his repeated pledge, which, after all, is one of the most famous statements of his presidency.

The president’s promise apparently came with a very large caveat: “If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan — if we deem it to be adequate.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/10/30/wapo-pinocchios-obama-keep-plan

Cbrown
Cbrown

Some liberals like Bill Maher, may be crazed, rabbid haters of conservatism, but they at least see the truth of the failure of liberals and what it means to the voting public!

He understands that stupid, LTE's from free-stuff loving democrats are not decisive for elections!

Carter's failure gave us Reagan!
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"Maher: Ted Cruz Has a Shot at Becoming President"

---Bill Maher on Tuesday made what people on both sides of the aisle will say is an extraordinary prediction coming from a Tea Party hater like him.

Appearing on CNN's Piers Morgan Tonight, Maher said Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tx.) has a shot at becoming president in 2016 and will be very difficult to beat in the Republican primaries (video follows with transcript and commentary):

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/10/30/maher-ted-cruz-has-shot-becoming-president#ixzz2jEewOO4g

Plopez
Plopez

Who is this fool Taicho? My company had the same insurance for 20 years. Now he claims it was phony insurance? Our company insurance was canceled because Obamacare added new requirements that made it too expensive for the company and the workers to pay for it. The company canceled the program for thousands because not enough of them could afford it with the new requirements. Why does government get to tell people their insurance is phony? Why are we forced to have more? We were happy with our insurance for 20 years.

This taicho person claims to care about the working man. Seems to me all he cares about is people that are retired or not working and getting their stuff paid for by people who do work. Tax and spend. With all the taxes paid by those that work and pay taxes.

This White House favors poor people who do not work over people who work hard and play by the rules! Why do the unions get to have their insurance plans saved? Why are their plans not phony?

DominOrcutt
DominOrcutt

Careful P,

You're making too much sense. Common sense is on life support in our society. It's alive, and well in you!

Soon, you'll be called "extreme!"

Cbrown
Cbrown

Hey Taicho--

You've written that you have had several strokes and are now stuck in a wheelchair because of it. You also wrote that you've smoked for 41 years, several packs a day.

The National Stroke Association says that smoking DOUBLES your risk of a stroke! Why should the tax payer cover your VA cost for you when you don't care about your own health?

Were you being "phony" on your end of the deal? Why do YOU get to be irresponsible with your health and then others are stuck paying for you?

Now you claim that people had phony insurance? They weren't covering themselves properly?

Who are YOU to make these claims about free people's choices?

Cbrown
Cbrown

I guess Independent Liberal will call the Political: “The web site where they tell me what I want to hear!”

37% approval on Gallup. The same poll that got CNN’s Wolf Blitzer to trumpet Bush 43’s 36% approval 20 times in 3 hours.

Now we have this new low for King Claus. That “consensus” of polls is looking pretty bad!

Note: this is an NBC poll. The crazies that run the far-left MSNBC, too!

Are they lying? Is this merely their opinion Taicho?
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“Poll: Obama approval at all-time low”

---A new NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey shows that a mere 42 percent of Americans approve of Obama’s job performance, down five points from a poll conducted in early October. The president’s disapproval rating stands at 51 percent, tying an all-time high for Obama.----

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/obama-approval-rating-poll-99135.html#ixzz2jFdk1Fx2

jack_w
jack_w

at first i thought this was satire. then i realized it was written by a fool. tea party isn't taking away health care, obamoron is. millions of cancelled plans (including mine, and i work for the govt). eventually his plan will lead the govt to bankruptcy. NOBODY is advocating automatic weapons. this is just vomiting up a george soros lying point. fauxbama shut down the government, not the tea party. the debt is now 17 TRILLION dollars, thanks to fubarak and the communists in the demoncrat party. the end game for fubarry is the diminishment of America to the point we will become subserviant to the United Nations. enjoy the koolaid. i hope you drown in it!

DominOrcutt
DominOrcutt

Trek04,

You're a man, among boys.

Sir.

Trek04
Trek04

Thank you,

But I have to concede that you and CBrown were winning handily without me.

Cbrown
Cbrown

That may be true- but we only win the war when the majority joins in and we all put these America destroyers DOWN!

Liberals ONLY win when conservatives lay down and let them win! This country is CONSERVATIVE by 2-1 when looked at issue by issue without the liberal news or the personalities confusing the issues!

Trek04
Trek04

“Several of them would have protested if they could have found the right arguments.”
― George Orwell, Animal Farm

taicho
taicho

I am not a fool just because I told the truth.

Jack, just what government workers plan has been removed or abolished. You claim you work for the government. Do you actually mean you work for a contractor that has a contract with the government and you chose to only have a plan which didn't qualify? I know of no government plan that has been removed. It is open season right now and choices still are the same.

As I said before the government didn't remove plans, some failed to qualify. If you get a speeding ticket is it the policeman's fault? If you choose an insurance plan that doesn't include hospital care should we pay for your hospital care?

I guess tea party members would say yes.

DominOrcutt
DominOrcutt

Maybe the Fraud in Chief should have thought of that before he PROMISED that "IF you like YOUR PLAN, you can KEEP IT"!

"I am not a fool just because I told the truth."

Agree. There are many more reasons to view you as a "fool".

Cbrown
Cbrown

Insurance is being RUINED because government has added more and more requirements over the past 40 years. Doing the exact same thing you say is horrible! Adding things people do not want but are forced to pay for!

Some lobbyist for the massage industry goes to a state rep and tell him we’ll give you $5000 for your campaign if you require insurance to pay for aromatherapy when they get a doctor ordered massage.

Now in CA, your massage therapist gets to charge the insurance company $40 for burning some candles during your massage. Each time! $40 added to a massage. That cost is passed to the people that buy insurance. Making it more expensive.

There is NONE, ZERO, free market for insurance at all. None at all. That ended decades ago.

Insurance is expensive because GOVERNMENT has added so many requirements the cost is through the roof. Obamacare is more gasoline on the fire!

The plans died because government changed the rules. Plans that free people ENJOYED!!!!!

Taicho does not care! Government pays all his bills for him- so the extra added stuff is GREAT for him. YOU pay for it!

Hail, Hail Mighty Government! All praise to government! Government! Our Savior!

Plopez
Plopez

You are telling things that are untrue. My company insurance was canceled because of Obamacare. We had it for 20 years. 75 plus employees. We had hospital coverage. All we wanted. My wife and son were in a car crash. Hit by a drunk. My son was hospitalized for 3 months. The bill was near $300,000 for them both. The insurance paid it.

Don't try and tell me that me that our coverage was not good! Lot's of the guys and their families at work were hospitalized over the 20 years. All the bills paid just fine. Preventative care and check-ups, too. Dental and eye coverage for those that wanted it.

How dare you tell us that our insurance was not good enough. Who are you to decide that?

Trek04
Trek04

“One believes things because one has been conditioned to believe them.”
― Aldous Huxley, Brave New World

IndependentThinker
IndependentThinker

oooh, perspicacious quote-- reading that "novel" now might be eeerie...

DominOrcutt
DominOrcutt

D@mn it Trek,

You got a "perspicacious". I've been shooting for one, but can,t get there.

Of course the last guy who got one was that dude, dyhydrogenousmotoroil, or something like that. He made a post using the terms "Kensyian economic theorists", "experiments", and "facts" all in the same sentence. He then returned a few minutes later screaming at us all about why we had not replied. It was about 11:30am. I guess he has never heard of people who work.

I think Mr. DependentThinker is his illegitimate step dad, or something.

Thanks DT for the tip about clicking on someones name to read all their posts. I've been laughing myself silly reading yours!

Trek04
Trek04

And I am not as smart as Thinker gives me credit for as I had to look up the word "perspicacious," but I appreciated the compliment.

And BTW, mentioning "Kensyian" and "fact" in the same sentence does require a substantial degree of talent, a talent that is certainly beyond my capability. I guess I am just too stupid to figure out how those two words could be related.

Cbrown
Cbrown

The N a z i’s didn’t remove the Jews either. Some failed to qualify. They just didn’t measure up to the new standards the German government set! The German government thought they knew best!

Right, Taicho? Standard?. Government gets to decide!

Cbrown
Cbrown

Hey Taicho-

They have a cream for that pain you get in your rear every time King Claus uses you as his ventriloquist dummy! I’m sure the VA will give it to you for free.

You just wait for King Claus to put out his excuses for latest FAILURE and then his good little dummies, like you, head right to the comment boards to repeat it for him!

That makes you a internet TROLL! Look it up!

Cbrown
Cbrown

Hey Taicho-

The government employees in San Francisco and the tax payers are required to pay for insurance that gives sex-change operations 100% coverage!

Is that essential insurance? Good apple insurance? Something that is important? Should you pay part of that cost as an employee?

Sound like a choice to me. Should my insurance cover the bills if I think I was born too short? Is 5'5" too short for a man? Is 5' too short for a woman? Should insurance pay to fix that?

How about liposuction if I want to look better? How about a face lift? Botox?

Should people who smoke 3 packs a day for 41 years and then have a stroke- get their bills paid for them by insurance or the VA? Free wheelchairs?

Who decides that? Is it not the most fair thing to let the individual decide that for themselves? Buy insurance that fits the needs THEY decide?

Cbrown
Cbrown

They LIED and they did it on PURPOSE! They KNEW you were going to lose your insurance!

How would the elections have been if the press did their job BEFORE the last election? Why does anyone trust them after this?

Got to protect the first black president legacy. Even if it destroys America!
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“Forbes: White House Predicted in 2010 That 93 Million Would Lose Their Health Plans Under ObamaCare”

--- What this means is that not only did Obama lie when he repeatedly told Americans that they can keep their plans if they like them, he also lied in Boston on Wednesday when he said he was referring to the majority of Americans covered by their employers.---

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/10/31/forbes-obama-officials-predicted-2010-93-million-would-lose-health-pl#ixzz2jL81qpVO

Trek04
Trek04

CBrown,

The mainstream press are the last to know anything of importance, which is why it is a waiste of time to watch or read them. And if the news is detrimental to this administration they conceal it, hide it, and wait until they can obfuscate it behind a gratuitous slap at the Tea Party or those bad apples.

I'm still waiting for Wolf Blitzer to figure out that Obama's approval rating is at an all time low.

Cbrown
Cbrown

Yeah! That is true. Even the news babe that CNN assigned to watch Rush talked about how he is always 2-3 days ahead of the major networks, even ahead of CNN.

They are usually last to know because they don't want to report the bad news for them unless they have no choice!

The liberals don't know what they don't know!

Cbrown
Cbrown

Is anyone surprised she lied? She a liberal! That’s what they DO! That’s how the move forward. The ONLY way they move forward!

Read it here on these forums! Lies from people claiming to advocate for others- when all they want is for themselves! They don’t care if they hurt you or others!
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“Rachel “Butch” Maddow mocked Rand Paul for plagiarism, but she’s been accused of it too”

http://rare.us/story/rachel-maddow-mocked-rand-paul-for-plagiarism-but-shes-been-accused-of-it-too/#sthash.wrxk9x8X.dpuf

Trek04
Trek04

CBrown,

There is hope. Turns out That taicho and Thinker are the only ones watching Rachael Maddow.

Here is the article from Joshua pundit in full.

Megyn Kelly's FOX debut as the networks' prime time newscaster pitted her against MSNBC's top rated show, poster girl Rachel Maddow, in that time slot.

Last Tuesday, the day after its debut, “The Kelly File” doubled its audience, crushing “The Rachel Maddow Show,” in the ratings competition.

In fact, Kelly's ratings were so good, MSNBC chief Phil Griffin made a major stink, whining that Kelly's ratings were 'impossible'.

So Neilson conducted an investigation into the ratings for Kelly's show...and found them to be totally accurate.

I can't imagine why there was even a question. Aside from MSNBC's dubious content, just look at the two newscasters. Who would you rather watch read the news? Whose voice would you rather listen to?

FOX has always beaten MSNBC in the ratings anyway, simply because it is relatively fair and balanced and includes diverse points of view as opposed to the biased, Pravda-like regime touting echo chamber you get at MSNBC.

Maddow audience will likely continue to shrink as it narrows down to an audience composed of the True Believers, but that's about it.

IndependentThinker
IndependentThinker

Yo, Trek dude, I tend to think Maddow waxes extreme and silly at times; like on this thing re Senator Rand Paul allegedly lifting/plagiarizing text from Wikipedia for 2 of his speeches [without attribution]. Excuse me, but isn't Wikipedia a kind of Internet dictionary? Stretching Paul's using 2 Wiki entries without attribution into plagiarism is taking 2 leaps in order to score political points & is symptomatic of what's wrong with most all D.C. politicians-- so busy scoring little points they miss understanding the common good.grrr

Trek04
Trek04

Thinker, if you stop watching Rachel Maddow her audience will be cut in half.

taicho
taicho

I see Jack hasn't answered me. I wonder why.

And as far as Rachel Maddow is concerned I not only have never watched her I don't even know who she is. So Trek 04 is a liar. Nothing new about that except that he was shown up.

Cbrown calls all liberals liars while he lies himself. I was taught a long time ago that anyone who uses the term all to describe the actions of a group doesn't have any brains.

Trek04
Trek04

taicho, if Jack has not answered your questions, does that mean you won the argument? I have asked you about 25 questions about your economic philosophy, and cannot get an answer from you. Just click on my call name and answer the questions about your house.

Thanks for clarifying that you do not watch Rachael Maddow. One does wonder where you get your information because the things you write look a lot like what bounces around in the MSNBC echo-chamber.

Cbrown
Cbrown

His education ended when he was in 7th, grade maybe. He clearly can’t do basic math. Might have gotten a high school diploma once the military drafted him. Maybe. I won’t believe anything he claims anyways.

Most of what he believes is anecdotal stuff that working grunts tell each other on the job without any idea of what they are talking about. They are just angry at the world. We all have known these types.

I actually feel guiltily going after this guy because he obviously has serious "issues". Things are not quite right with his brain and his logic.

He is the neighborhood mean, old man yelling at children to stay off his lawn!

I only engage him simply so they low-information types don’t mistake his pure irrational BS as something to believe!

Trek04
Trek04

CBrown,

I am glad that taicho is posting his entries. He takes a lot of progressive positions on issues that are widely believed and accepted, yet completely indefensible. Also, he exhibits the typical progressive behavior of simply repeating things he reads or hears without really giving much thought to what he is saying. When confronted with his contradictions or lack of rational thought, he gets angry and either ignores us or lashes out with personal insults. Like I said, he typifies the progressives in this country.

Even though we both know that we will never get him off the progressive track we should encourage him to keep posting his beliefs. It provides an excellent opportunity to dispel many of the myths that progressives accept as truth.

In fact, I would like to see more progressives come onto this forum and argue the virtues of their beliefs. You obviously have a library of facts and sound reasoning. Embrace the opportunity to exhibit your persuasive talents.

Cbrown
Cbrown

You guys LOVE, LOVE, LOVE what he says when he goes after guns!

What do you say about this?

More proof of this lie than about WMD’s from Bush! King Claus’s lie effected the election!
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“Shock: Piers Morgan Slams Obama Promise on Health Care Coverage as ‘Just a Lie’

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/randy-hall/2013/11/01/piers-morgan-gop-guest-slam-obamacare-promise-just-lie#ixzz2jPW2QdjH

Trek04
Trek04

Yes, the sting is more painful when you quote the bad news from their trusted, progressive sources like the New York Times, L.A. Times, Piers Morgan, etc. Even these rats in the media are realizing that its time to bail out for their own survival because the Obama ship is sinking.

DominOrcutt
DominOrcutt

And, 53% of the electorate couldn't care less.

They all have, what THEY call, "skin in the game". They don't want to risk the (SS, Medicare, Medicade, Food Stamp, Housing assistance, student loans, Disability, School Lunch, and G@d knows what else.) benefit. They'll stay with those who they think will keep it coming. These are people who otherwise, would not have much in common. But, make no mistake, they want their "checks"!

And, the establishment has found someone to blame.

And, the masses (are a$$es) are more than willing to jump on board.

They are the "majority" you know.

Trek04
Trek04

In 2013 there are approximately 320 million people living in the U.S. and, in one day, on October 1, 2013, there were:

10,831 births
6,885 deaths

and .... 6 people that successfully signed up for Obamacare.

Cbrown
Cbrown

Taicho-

Here's some questions you didn't answer. I wonder why?

I'll try again.

The government employees in San Francisco and the tax payers are required to pay for insurance that gives sex-change operations 100% coverage!

Is that essential insurance? Good apple insurance? Something that is important? Should you pay part of that cost as an employee or tax payer?

Sounds like a choice to me. Should my insurance cover the bills if I think I was born too short? Is 5'5" too short for a man? Is 5' too short for a woman? Should insurance pay to fix that?

How about liposuction if I want to look better? How about a face lift? Botox?

Should people who smoke 3 packs a day for 41 years and then have a stroke- get their bills paid for them by insurance or the VA? Free wheelchairs?

Who decides that? Is it not the most fair thing to let the individual decide that for themselves? Buy insurance that fits the needs THEY decide?

Cbrown
Cbrown

Hey Taicho-

You think government knows best? More of how you are out of the mainstream! 4 out of 5 believe government is a loser at doing things!
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“A Phalanx of Lies- Remember that health insurance you could keep?”

-- CNN has been pondering what they call “a particularly tough few days at the White House.” “Four out of five Americans have little or no trust in their government to do anything right,” says chief political analyst Gloria Borger.---

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/362922/phalanx-lies-mark-steyn

Cbrown
Cbrown

Notice how the liberals disappear when the news gets bad for them?

They only want to come here and rub people's face in their giddy glee of power they think they have gained!

Control freaks that like to revel in your pain! They hurt your freedom and they are happy about it!

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