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Prayer issue and believers

2013-11-14T00:00:00Z Prayer issue and believersGary Lange Santa Maria Times
November 14, 2013 12:00 am  • 

I recently read the article about the Freedom from Religion Foundation’s lawsuit against the Pismo Beach City Council for having prayers before meetings.

It appears the foundation really should be renamed “Freedom from Christianity Foundation,” as this is their real focus. Apparently, they object to Jesus Christ.

Jesus did warn us believers that we could expect to receive persecution from the world as we walked with him through this temporal life. It is such a shame these nonbelievers are so narrow-minded and bigoted they cannot allow Christians to express our beliefs with freedom of speech at public events and meetings.

I expect it is because they genuinely fear Christianity, for if its teachings are true - as, of course, they are - then they are doomed to hell for not believing. I pray for them to come to know Jesus Christ as their personal savior and be able to enjoy eternal life with him.

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  1. Cbrown
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    Cbrown - November 15, 2013 11:28 am
    One of the problems with these comment sections is that we never learn the age of the people writing stuff.

    Now I have learned that Dan Foster is a CHILD! A mere student at Cal Poly and has almost ZERO adult life experience! He knows NOTHING!

    Why listen to someone that has less than 5% life experience that most people on these boards have?

  2. San Ignacio de Loyola
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    San Ignacio de Loyola - November 14, 2013 8:28 pm

    The greatest fear we should all have is a fear of the secularists.

    If non-Christians have a problem with public prayer, they should put cotton in their ears.

    Praise The Lord!

  3. ultprinefan
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    ultprinefan - November 14, 2013 12:24 pm
    Their bible specifically forbids praying in public, instructing them to pray in private. Why do they insist on disobeying their own bible?
  4. Cbrown
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    Cbrown - November 14, 2013 12:10 pm
    Talk about spreading your beliefs!

    Why does a guy that lives in SLO feel he needs to push his anti-religion BS into a town 40 miles away? What are you so afraid of? Does everyone have to live the way you do? What happen to freedom as codified in the Constitution?

    Or are you just upset that free people organize into a group that opposes your liberalism?
  5. Cbrown
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    Cbrown - November 14, 2013 12:06 pm
    I see far more "making everyone become one of them" from government much more often than any religion!

    What power does religion have to make you go to church? What power do they have to take money from a person to fund the church?

    Government is doing far, far more of these "making" things than any church is doing. Do we need to talk about Obamacare? The NSA spying? Fast and Furious? The TSA? I could go on and on!

    My religion?

    I am an atheist! Even I can see the incredible damage done by our abusive government and it exceeds any harm done by organized religion by about a 1000 times!

    Even as an atheist- I can easily see that this country was founded on the idea that a God of some type exists. If you don't like the foundation- then change the Constitution as the rules require. Write a new amendment that spells out what you want.

    All you are trying to do is an end around tactic to achieve your goals that the people would never stand for if you were honest about it!
  6. Cbrown
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    Cbrown - November 14, 2013 11:56 am
    We ALREADY live under the religion of liberalism!

    You guys are JUST as theocratic as any hard-core bible thumper. You demand people live under the BS premise of "It takes a village" and no one accomplishes anything alone. All lies by those incapable of being an individual, following your own path- because it scares you!

    You live under the doctrine of the masses and yell about the theocracy of others!

    What a joke!
  7. Gordon A Shumway
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    Gordon A Shumway - November 14, 2013 10:16 am
    Dear JC, Just in case you are right, may the god of the Bible, Jesus and the 10,000 other gods of history bless you. FF
  8. Proud Atheist
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    Proud Atheist - November 14, 2013 10:01 am
    Yeay FFRF!! I do NOT want to live in a theocracy! Council meetings are for ALL tax-paying citizens, regardless of beliefs or lack thereof. I am amazed that civilized people in 2013 still blindly believe in the supernatural and fear an imaginary "loving" god-concept. How embarrassing. If your faith is so strong, it should make no difference whatsoever if praying stops at council meetings.
  9. dan foster
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    dan foster - November 14, 2013 9:49 am
    A cult is a religion is a cult....all the same. Mormonism is just one of 40,000 sects of the christian cult (a bloodlust, doomsday cult).
  10. dan foster
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    dan foster - November 14, 2013 9:47 am
    Amazing. You want your religion perpetuated by the gov't that you hate? It is christians, and their use of gov't "trying to make everyone become one of them". The irony of your statements is just too much.
  11. dan foster
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    dan foster - November 14, 2013 9:45 am
    Well, you excepted islam, but islam is under the same god as christians; the god of abraham. He doesn't exist, either, but you should at least understand what you are talking about. Jesus' message is that of hate by a mythological realm. Nothing more.
  12. Cbrown
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    Cbrown - November 14, 2013 7:41 am
    I have much more fear of the government we have right now which believes they KNOW better than you and will take charge because of it! They want to make you into a serf!

    Everything you guys are accusing religion of doing is because you guys have already done it or thought it yourself!

    The progressives are trying to make everyone become one of them!
  13. Justin Case
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    Justin Case - November 14, 2013 6:40 am
    Yo Local Birdman,

    You should familiarize yourself with the Mormon/LDS religion before you comment about it.

    Thank you,

  14. Justin Case
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    Justin Case - November 14, 2013 6:39 am
    Yo Gary,

    You said: “I expect it is because they genuinely fear Christianity,”

    I believe you are incorrect; I think “they” fear the “message” rather than the concept of “Christianity”. After all, didn’t the Bible say, Jesus Christ was just the message/messenger?

    All religions except for Muslims/Islam/Buddhism, are “Christian” by faith, they just call their faith by different names, they all pray to the same god and read the same Bible.

    Thank you and have a great day, oh and Praise the Lord too!

    Just saying,

  15. LocalBirder
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    LocalBirder - November 14, 2013 6:22 am
    Gary, you're right about one thing--fearing Christianity. I fear that Christianity thinks it has the right answers and doesn't. I fear that Christianity has a plan that involves making me Christian. I fear that Christianity would, if given the chance, take our secular government and replace it with a theocracy.

    What other religion in the U.S. seems to be doing these things so much besides Christianity?

    The reason you feel persecuted is because of your self-fulfilling prophecy, not because it was bound to happen no matter what. If Islam, or Mormonism was the dominant religion in the U.S. and they thought they had an opportunity to take over (and you were a Mormon) then you would feel just as targeted.
  16. SamanthaW
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    SamanthaW - November 14, 2013 2:09 am
    Interesting article, yet I was shocked when I read the book about Masonic secrets. You can take a look at it here:

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